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DevTweet: One of the Boys - Women in Technology

Software Development with a wink

In de DevTweet-column worden conversaties getoond tussen Marianne (van Wanrooij) en Sander (Hoogendoorn) over de (on)zin die IT-ers bezig houdt. Regelmatig zullen ook gasten worden uitgenodigd. Volg ze ook op Twitter op @mariannerd en @aahoogendoorn!

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Suffers from writers block! Have to finish my column for the @SDNMagazine “Women in Technology” issue.

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@mariannerd Still struggling with the subject? I handed in my "regular" column - not dealing with WIT. When's the final deadline?

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@aahoogendoorn I woke up this morning with an idea. deadline was 13/4, for columns it's a bit easier. so friday has to do. ;-)

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@aahoogendoorn Too bad we don't have too much time.. we could have co-write it... a man vs. woman kind of thing LOL

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@mariannerd That would have been cool. We could have set it up in a conversation style, maybe even Twitter style. What if we twittered this ...

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@aahoogendoorn I like the idea! It can be funny and to the point... (at least every response has to be short :-) )

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@mariannerd Normally my responses are longer - like most women (in IT), let alone exceptions (like you).

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@aahoogendoorn I'm an exception? .. I'm not a model developer....but a model's just an imitation of the real thing.

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@mariannerd If you're an exception, that would be BECAUSE you are indeed a MODEL developer.

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@mariannerd With your looks it's more likely you'll create an exception with many male developers. A BufferOverflowException perhaps?

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@aahoogendoorn A BufferOverflowException? As long as they know how to handle it! And otherwise I will give them more Runtime ;-)

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@mariannerd Maybe that's why there so little female developers? It takes a nerd to understand nerd jokes? Maybe too few female autists?

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@mariannerd I tried to think of all WIT I've met over the past 20 years. Quite a few. But when it comes to writing code, I can literally count them

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@mariannerd Why are there so few female developers?

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@aahoogendoorn Girls don't choose an IT education. It's the image (nerd/geeks), thinking it's too difficult, the fact it's male dominated.

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@mariannerd So it's because there's too many men in IT that there's not enough girl developers?

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@aahoogendoorn That's a rhetorical question..;-) But it is one of the reasons why girls don't choose an technical education.

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@mariannerd Rhetorical or not. I guess there are so many men in software development because it's so binary. Not how most women think :-)

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@aahoogendoorn Would you use the opposite explanation for why there are so few male nurses?

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@aahoogendoorn Studies shows that girls THINK it's too complex and therefore dull. Wrong image... never a dull moment in my work :-).

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@mariannerd It can’t be complexity - women are supposed to be multi-tasking, aren't they? Or, in our case: multi-threading.

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@mariannerd Although I have to say that the idea of studying with 40 girl nurses to me does not sound very scary.

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@aahoogendoorn So now you know why I've chosen software development. LOL

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@mariannerd However, the idea of studying with 50 male nerds is more scary. Marvel Heroes, Hitchhiker's Guide, 42, Star Wars all day?

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@mariannerd Thought you chose IT because your sense of humor matches that of male nerds? Think Ghostbusters. You probably dig South Park too.

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@aahoogendoorn I love South Park... especially the phrase: Respect my authority !!!

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@mariannerd O no, they killed Kenny. My favorite episode is where Cartman hates Family Guy, and the one where Canada is on strike, and ...

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@aahoogendoorn I chose IT because I like the no nonsense mentality, always learning new things, the creative side...

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@aahoogendoorn ... Also the high level of expertise and the knowledge sharing (e.g. at events) is awesome. I guess that’s the geeky part of it.

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@mariannerd No nonsense mentality? You've probably never worked for large consultancy firms... But I agree on the creative part.

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@mariannerd And I agree on knowledge sharing - but isn't that a typical female thing? So there should actually be more WIT...

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@mariannerd But on the other hand, it also requires hard logic thinking, something a lot of women are less good at. ;-)

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@ aahoogendoorn I think the lack of logical thinking by women is not the biggest problem. The female devs I know are VERY good at it!

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@mariannerd I love women that think logical. There should be much more of them - TomTom would definitively go out of business.

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@ aahoogendoorn Hmm where would that put me... I always get lost when I actually use TomTom!

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@mariannerd That's not YOU getting lost, it's TomTom. Developed by male developers?

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@ aahoogendoorn Another problem for most women... lack of confidence.. (and men having too much)

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@mariannerd Most men only PRETEND to be self confident. But you knew that, didn't you?

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@ aahoogendoorn ... and I thought faking was a women's thing!

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@mariannerd Woody Allen shouts (when Annie Hall leaves him): "And by the way, I faked all my orgasms"

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@mariannerd Makes you wonder what kids of relationship a male and a female nerd would have. Watching Comedy Central, laptops on laps?

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@ aahoogendoorn Oh yeah and quality time through MSN ;-)

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@mariannerd MSN while both on the same sofa, watching South Park and sharing code examples. Actually sounds like lots of fun.

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@ aahoogendoorn Nah…I've had a similar experience. only the South Park part didn’t add up. Bottom line it didn't work out! LOL

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@ aahoogendoorn One advantage of working as a female developer.. no queues at the bathroom at events!

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@mariannerd That's a good one. And of course lots of nerdy developers staring at you like. Don't you get tired of that?

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@ aahoogendoorn Hmm.. Getting tired of nerdy men looking at me? I wouldn't be a good presenter if that would bother me, now would I?

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@mariannerd You're fast. Developers stare at me too when I'm presenting, but I hope that's different.

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@mariannerd So concluding you might say that girls do not get into IT because there's too many male nerds.

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@mariannerd I read an article yesterday that stated that certain ant colonies in the US reproduce without sex, no more male ants required.

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@ aahoogendoorn I feel sorry for those ants ;-)

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@mariannerd So, if Darwin is right, and this ant pattern gets picked up by humans, the problem of too many male developers should soon be solved.

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@ aahoogendoorn ...male developers reproducing by themselves!? Wow... talk about scary! The nurses too?

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@mariannerd You can't publish that in SDN Magazine....

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@aahoogendoorn Let’s find out!

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@aahoogendoorn Btw... are you putting this together for the column?

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@mariannerd Eh... I thought you were putting this together actually. Ha ha. Typical man / woman mistake?

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@aahoogendoorn I can do it... no probs... Typical female way to solve problems.

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@mariannerd Haha. I counted on that – call it my male intuition.

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@aahoogendoorn Yeah! Sure ;-)

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